LA Auto Show on HHO Gas

Kevin at HydrogenCarsNow.com continues to be a persistent source of information about hydrogen on demand with this latest report on his visit to the recent LA Auto show.

Check it out.

New HHO Games Article

Rare interview with Ozzy Freedom in this article. He's attending the HHO Games this week. 

Ozzy, I'd love to interview you too!

HHO Games

Ok, HHO lurkers, it's time again to point out that the HHO Games are coming, giving you the opportunity to get up close and personal with any HHO inventors out there among us.

Article about the event.

For more info on the event:

http://hhogames.com/

EFIE Guy Mike Kerhli: Pulling Together HHO Proof

I had a fascinating conversation today with Mike Kerhli from Fuelsaver-MPG Inc., makers of EFIE (Electronic Fuel Injection Enhancers).  I'll be posting excerpts from that conversation on this website and on http://waterhybrids.blogspot.com.  

Mike sent me over a nice list of HHO research studies that have been done around the world.  Apparently, HHO has been studied scientifically a bit more often than the Mike Allen's of the world will find comfortable to tolerate. I'm going to be posting that research here for your perusal starting with this article:

Allgeier, T., Klenk, M., Landenfeld, T., Conte, E., Boulouchos, K., Czerwinski, J., “Advanced Emission and Fuel Economy Concept Using Combined Injection of Gasoline and Hydrogen in SI Engines,” Publication #2004-01-1270, March, 2004, Society of Automotive Engineers, Troy, MI. http://www.sae.org/technical/papers/2004-01-1270

• Abstract:  This paper presents data indicating that a hydrogen-enriched gasoline fuel mixture, in a conventional spark-ignited engine, produces improvements in engine efficiency and emissions.

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I was able to actually track down one of the authors, Tilo Landenfeld, all the way in Germany.   In the coming days, I hope to be able to share more information about what I learn here. 

There are a number of SAE articles concerning HHO.

Dynojet Research and HHO Gas Devices

I'm always on the hunt for scientific proof that hho gas devices work as advertised.  What's needed here is a set of valid tests on a dynamometer.  These are hard to find but if you browse this site, you'll find lots of links to the various research performed on hho gas.  Hydrorunner is a company that makes hho gas kits and they've posted their dynamometer testing results on their website.  After clicking around a bit, I noticed that the maker of the Dynamometer was Dynojet Research.  Now here's a company that should know a thing or two about testing an HHO device on a dynamometer.  I'd love to interview someone at Dynojet about this:  if you're reading this, email me: watercarblog@gmail.com

HydrogenCarsNow Article on Dept of Transportation Report

I've been writing about my personal opinion that the US Federal Government should take a more active role in testing HHO devices also known as hydrogen fuel injectors. The debates seem to go on and on because differences over test procedures, measurement, results interpretation, etc. The EPA has a standard set of test routines that should be utilized to settle these discussions.

In the meantime, the use of hydrogen fuel injection is receiving some attention from the Department of Transportation in a report released in 2007 and uncovered by Kevin at HydrogenCarsNow.com. I'll let him lay out the very interesting story.

CNN Money on Ronn Motor Company's H2GO

I've written before about Ronn Motor Company, makers of exotic cars that include HHO Gas systems built in. Apparently, the opportunity for hydrogen fuel injection systems as an aftermarket part was too good for RMC to pass up. They have announced and CNN Money has written about their plans to market and distribute a system which will be manufactured by a larger unnamed player in the space. This could quickly make Ronn Motor the industry leader in hydrogen fuel injection systems.

What's interesting about Ronn Motor is that they are a publicly traded company (Symbol RNNM) subjecting themselves to federal safety and emissions testing through NHTSA and EPA respectively.

Water4Gas Testimonial

In following the hho gas world, I get alot of emails from people at various stages of realization that Water4Gas technology works. Today, I got a note from Les Pollyea of State Street Motors in Hastings, MI. He's been in the automotive repair business for 30 years. When I spoke to him today on the phone, the first words of his mouth was, "I was a skeptic. And before we started this thing, we looked at it for 2 months trying to figure out if it was a scam or not a scam. So, finally we did it. And I'm telling you what, we were amazed!" Mr. Pollyea went on to explain that his whole approach to studying this was as a skeptic. He wants to prove it doesnt work. But so far his test results show it does. They are going to install it on 2 more vehicles now.

Just another testimonial from someone without a name, address or phone number, right? Wrong! Mr. Pollyea gave me permission to include his full contact information right here on the blog. That's right, a real person just like you who scratched their head for awhile wondering if they should buy a Water4Gas manual and give this thing a try. I'm sure too many people will call Les and he'll send me an email saying take this info down but for now, here is his exact email to me posted with his permission:

I own and operate STATE STREET MOTORS INC. in Hastings ,Mich. We have recently installed a Water4gas system on my 1997 Chevy Sububan 2500 4X4. Prior to installation the Last 3 fuel economy fuel ratings were avg. 13.2 to 13.4 mpg. after install the first mpg test was 18.2 mpg. we are going to continue testing to see if this was just a fluke or if this system really does have merit. We will mail you a continuing report as we progress.

LES POLLYEA

STATE STREET MOTORS INC..

1455 W. STATE ST.

HASTINGS,MICH 49058
269-948-2277

Here's more of my interview with Les:

Blogger: How long have you been working with cars?

LP: Oh God.....30yrs?

Blogger: So when you first looked at this, you thought it was a complete scam?

LP: Absolutely! Absolutely.

Blogger: Why did you keep looking into it? What pushed you over the edge to try it, if you thought it was a scam?

LP: $4/gallon for fuel and I think curiosity more than anything. That and by God, you know what, if it does work, then why not? I mean if this does work, just look what it would do for the nation.

Blogger: ...or SUV sales. People can't buy Ford or General Motors SUV's these days because of the price of gas.

LP: Exactly. That's it. I'm going to test this on a motorhome which currently gets 7mpg. We're going to test it on there.

Pollyea went on to ask if I hear that others are getting more power from these systems and I said yes, that's what I hear all the time. He said he's getting a very noticeable amount of extra horsepower.

So there you go.

Mike Allen at Popular Mechanics

Popular Mechanics' Mike Allen is skeptical---skeptical of the effects of HHO gas on fuel economy in a vehicle. He's written about it and due to an overwhelming reader response, he's going against his professional judgement and is taking steps to run a series of tests himself on a 2009 Nissan Maxima. Many are reporting this as Popular Mechanics' attempt to debunk Water4Gas and the various kits that you can buy on the Internet.

I had chance to talk with Mr. Allen today to learn how his testing is going. First, he let me know that this is not his top priority right now (completing print magazines is) so when he gets time, he does push his project forward a bit. We discussed the kit he has installed and his testing methodology. I also learned which kit he chose to install and I even spoke to that manufacturer today to get his take on working with Mike on this.

In the coming days, I will be posting excerpts of my interview with Mike and with this--for now--unnamed manufacturer. Stay tuned.

In the meantime, I'd like to request again to hear from Ford, General Motors, Nissan or any manufacturer out there testing HHO. I'm hearing today that when it comes to testing HHO devices, folks in the aftermarket industry believe that legislation exists which would compel the auto manufacturers to be responsible for testing. Many times, you will hear that tampering with an oxygen sensor is against the law. I'm still researching that but at least one person I spoke to believes that challenging that would involve necessarily the underlying manufacturer of the vehicle to which the aftermarket device was installed. If you are in SEMA and understand this, can you get in touch with me: watercarblog@gmail.com

Water4Gas Better Business Bureau

Someone was telling me recently that the Better Business Bureau has a file on 1 Freedom Inc.,makers of Water4Gas ebooks and whose CEO is Ozzie Freedom.  Interesting, I thought, since anything automotive must generate alot of finger pointing and the injured party calling it a scam or hoax. For example, maybe someone installs a kit then has mechanical problems and blames the kit. I thought maybe there would be a few of these types of complaints where the root cause may be questionable.  So I checked out the file and learned that the only thing the BBB is complaining about is that 1 Freedom Inc used the logo apparently somewhere in their materials.   I was unable to verify that claim made by the BBB.  But if you read the file, it is clean.... no complaints.  Remarkable!!!

What I was able to verify is that the BBB is annoying a finance company by listing an improper phone number for 1 Freedom Inc on their website.  If you call the number on the webpage, you will not get the Water4Gas people.  

My personal opinion is that the BBB goes on to unfairly lump HHO Gas technologies and Water4Gas into the pack of devices that the EPA has tested over the years.   I've personally spoken to the program manager of that EPA program.  The single biggest problem I have with it is that it is a passive program---they only test something when a company approaches them and asks for a test.  As a taxpayer, I'd like to see that group of people actively engage with the marketplace and go out and test devices themselves without prompting.  Furthermore, I'd like to see some politicians or someone in DOE get behind this idea to once and for all test these HHO Devices!   There's plenty of consumer sentiment out there that these devices work.  And while I'm at it, I think the BBB should join me in making this call for unprompted testing of a few of the devices on the marketplace.  The test shouldn't say which one works best, but whether or not as a class of devices they work. 

And also, it would be nice if I could finally catch up to Ozzie Freedom for an interview on this blog.  Ozzie, email me:  watercarblog@gmail.com

National Corn Growers Association and HHO Gas Speaker

Lake Land College recently held Agronomy Day. Among the speakers was Mary Holmes from the National Corn Growers Association speaking on the topic of ethanol and the controversy surrounding an increase in food prices that some attribute to crops being grown for fuel.

Interesting to me, however, was the other speaker on the docket at Agronomy Day: Lake Land Technology Division Chairman, Tim Van Dyke who demonstrated an hho gas generator. Van Dyke explained that you could enhance fuel efficiency up to 50 %. I sent a note over to Mr Van Dyke and hope to speak with him soon.

I'd like to try and get more agriculture folks discussing HHO gas in the WaterFueling.com forums. Or reading about Water4Gas.

HHO Gas: Ford, General Motors, Honda, Nissan, Chrysler

I've been hoping to write about major auto manufacturers who are investigating HHO Gas. If you work for one of these organizations and can speak about your research, contact me at watercarblog@gmail.com

Many of you have been reading this blog for some time which is interesting in itself. I'm willing to share information I have with you. Readers of this blog want to know when you will start announcing your own modifcations to take advantage of this technology if in fact that will happen.

From an economic standpoint, I always think about automakers experiencing higher oil prices as impacting sales of SUV or larger vehicles which (and I'm no economist), I have heard are your most profitable lines. Well, if these are your profitable lines and gas prices are making them too expensive to buy, then why not embrace some of these HHO devices out there?

Talk to me: watercarblog@gmail.com

Texas Hydrogen Solutions

Here's another local newspaper article covering a local person who is attempting to save money by using an hho gas generator. This time, this one is made by Texas Hydrogen Solutions. I wonder if this is another venture launched from a reading of Water4Gas.

New Test Results on Hydro 4000 bby WPTV

Jamie Holmes is a reporter for WPTV in West Palm Beach Florida. Back in July, he tested a local company's Hydro 4000 device by having it installed on his TV SUV.  The test results showed the truck was getting 9.4mpg before installation of the hydro 400 and 23.2 after installation. That's over double.   But there was some question about the mechanical condition of the van since the 9.4mpg was below the manufacturer rating.   So a new test was devised with the help of Florida Atlantic University's Dr. Amir Abtahi.  This time around on a 2001 Chevy Tahoe, the test took the vehicle from 11.8 mpg to 13 mpg.   

I think this is a great story whose relevance is that is shows more research is needed.   The makers of the Hydro 4000 say they are going to submit to govt testing soon. That's fantastic if true.  

My opinion is that a test needs to be done that simulates typical driving loads for both city and highway driving.  If end users are reporting more torque, this implies they are probably also accelerating more with these devices which in turn reduces fuel efficiency.  I believe a test should identify to like vehicles of the same make/model.  Calibrate both vehicles using the dynamometer to make sure they both have approx the same MPG.  Then install an hho generator on one unit and rerun the tests. Again, do this for city and highway loads.   

Eventually, this type of scientific analysis is going to be done.  What these universities should be doing is applying to the National Science Foundation for research grants to do the tests correctly.  

WaterFueling.com Update

Launched in May 2008, WaterFueling.com is designed to provide a place where consumers can discuss with one another technologies and kits, learn about the latest HHO developments and find a local hho installer for a kit in the HHO directory. Traffic to the site has tripled each of the 3 months it has been up.  For July, we're now seeing over 3000 visitors per month.  The site your reading now gets about that much traffic every 2 days. 

I've got some updated info on the way regarding some HHO tests that were performed recently. Stay tuned!  The goal is to have that out by the end of the week. 

HHO NEWS GOES CRAZY!!!

For the two years that I've been studying HHO Gas and HHO Generators, I've seen alot of local news stations and local newspapers cover the story.  But in the past 30 days, there seems to have been an E X P L O S I O N of stories about HHO.  Let's go to the list of links.  Outside the US, it's all about "electrolisers" or what we call HHO Generators. Here's an article about a Barbados company, Trans-Tech, installing electrolizers around the Caribbean and South America.   Next, we go to Northern California for a story about Ben Overbeck who started out by reading Water4Gas and then started selling his own kits. It references the Popular Mechanics study being performed on these units now by Mike Allen who's quite frankly a bit of a jackass because he came out early on saying these things dont work but then later admitted it was worth testing so he's building a unit now himself.   Next, we go to South Washington County, MN for yet another local mechanic making a mint out of selling hho generators.  Any time you see a glass jar, it's likely the "local inventor" started with a Water4Gas ebook.  Again, it's a good starter for someone looking to learn more about this technology and unlike a KIT, you can get a refund if the technology is not for you.   Let's close this HHO update with a story done by Corpus Christi's KRISTV covering an RV shop, Colonia Del Rey RV that does the installs.  They should be in the WaterFueling.com directory. 

HHO Questions: Where to go for Answers

Alot of people contact me with questions about this or that aspect of HHO, HHO Generators, what kits to use, where to buy the kits, the ebooks to buy, etc. Sometimes, they try to use the comments feature of this blog to get answers. For most questions like that, I now recommend posting them to a public forum set up for that purpose, ie,

WaterFueling.com

There are forums where you can discuss technical details, ebooks, experiences, and you can find people who can install hho gas systems, as well as HHO Events in the HHO Calendar. etc.

FORD Motor Company is Investigating Hydrogen on Demand

If HHO Gas is so great, why aren't the large automotive companies researching it? They are! According to Jennnifer Moore from Ford Motor Company Communications, Ford Motor company is researching hho gas or hydrogen on demand systems for installation in Ford Vehicles. They have nothing to report in terms of specifics at this point but stay tuned!

This is another step in the right direction for this technology, which as it's viability becomes more apparent, could have a tremendous impact on our energy needs moving forward.

Punch HHO!!

I spoke to Tom and Briane from Punch HHO a few days back. Tom was kind enough to give me a few moments to talk about his company's success in the last 4 months which is excessive to say the least. Although he only bought the Water4Gas books 6 months ago, he's been selling his own modified kit for 4 months now and has sold H U N D R E D S of them. Before all this success however, what motivated him to start a company was the following:

We bought the books and learned all about it. We put the units in our car and got excellent results of about 8-10mpg gain in both test vehicles and that got us really excited. So I started looking around at hydrogen cells and noticed that people were selling glass jars, they're selling literally coffee stainless steel mugs with wire inside of it...like the craziest, most ridiculous things I've ever seen. So I decided of course I can do better than that. I can do way better than that. So i emptied out my garage. I built two workstations in it...large oversized two car garage. I spent all the money I have on parts and tools and I just started building and working 14hrs a day building and testing. And then once I had a unit I was confident in that I could release to the public, I had my partners build me a website and the first day in business, we sold a bunch of units. And it just started to go crazy and it's to the point where I have 3 people working for me. There's no way we can keep up, we're trying. I'm expanding into a new building and we're going to blow this thing up!

Tom went on to describe some of the experiences he had in investigating some of the other products on the market. He called them up and posed as a potential customer and got a few really crazy capability claims. In a future posting, I will share more information about this rapidly growing company.

New Interview from Hydrogen Technology Applications Inc

I had a casual conversation with someone working for HTA just now and learned quite a bit about their progress.  I'll be posting excerpts from that interview in the coming days.  I asked this person about Stanley Meyers, Daniel Dingel, the japanese Water car, Water4gas, John Kanzius, 3rd party lab validation and alot about the craziness at the company that followed the CNN story.   If you are working with HHO gas, you'll want to check back soon or maybe you dont?