HHO Vs Popular Mechanics

I've been following Popular Mechanics' Mike Allen lately as he writes about testing HHO devices and I've got to say I've been very disappointed so far.    At the time I spoke to him, he had a Water4Gas manual on his desk and when I asked him a question about an EFIE, he flipped to the section of the ebook and read a couple lines to show he was aware of the issue.  But he did not have one installed at the time.  

Here's the problem.  Mike Allen says that people who experience HHO gas saving improvements are imagining  the results based on a change in their driving habits.  They accelerate less quickly, lay off the gas more often and in general drive in a way that maximizes gas mileage.   Here's the problem I have with that.  People I've spoken to actually report having more torque with these devices and say that they drive faster not slower.  Allen looks sort of funny claiming he's tested these devices and that his pretest conclusions were right when in fact he ends his article by saying he's been testing them just like everyone else has been--flat road testing with an electronic gadget attached to the computer to detect mpg changes.   So based on that, he tells us these things don't work. Then he tells us only a dynamometer test would be conclusive.  Well, which is it?   It's not surprising, Allen insisted these units had no value even before he ran a test.   Then he ran a test and concluded they had no value but then ends his article with an admission that his was another of the invalid tests he criticized.  Do you see what I mean here?  

Here's what I think.  I think Mike Allen should use his pulpit to encourage real testing done by labs authorized by the EPA to run scientifically accepted tests to prove or disprove the efficacy of these devices to save gas.    Is it really going to kill his career to simply say, "hey, I adamantly detest the idea that these things actually work but I have to be honest and admit that  running the type of test required to once and for all establish the truth of HHO gas devices."  Is that going to kill you to say it, Mike?    The EPA has been running tests on these things for 30 years. Trust me, they know how to do the testing. We dont need Popular Mechanics to pretend they know how to conduct the test. 

Hello?  

In the meantime, thousands of people continue to report success with these HHO devices including the gentleman from whom Mike Allen purchased his kit.  

Keep in mind that the National Hydrogen Association has endorsed HHO gas devices which they refer to has hydrogen fuel injection systems. 

Mike Allen's Follow Up HHO Testing

I left this comment on Mike Allen's Popular Mechanics comment section regarding his recently publicised testing:

I've spoken to Mike Allen on the phone about his work here on this topic and I dont think the readers are getting the complete story. First of all, Mike Allen has had a theory that this technology does not work. It's a reasonable theory for someone who has tested tons of these devices and never found one that works, but it is just a theory. People who read his article and conclude anything more than that the particular setup Mike tested does not work as advertised are going a bit too far based more on Mike's theory than his test results.
Read his test results. They say very clearly that only a dynamometer test will convince him that the technology works.
Now, Mike will say this technology is too ridiculous to test but since there's such an overwhelming public response, he has to do it. Great. But in doing so, he is perpetuating the very myth he is trying to dispell. What am I talking about?
Mike Allen is not the respected, appropriate authority to provide a scientific test of this technology. Sure, no disrespect because Mike is a smart guy and writes well but he's not what we need folks. By becoming an hho tinkerer himself, he only serves to fuel the idea that tinkering will finally land the big payoff.
To be clear, I do advocate hho tinkering but not if your Mike Allen, the journalist.
What persons like Mike Allen should really be advocating is a true scientific, federally recognized test of this technology. It trully surprises me that Mike Allen hasn't written about the fact that there are truly scientific processes that can be followed, that have been around for years which could settle this question once and for all.
What I advocate, as someone who has written about HHO for 2+yrs, is to have the EPA run their tests on a *series* of these devices. The problem is that these tests cost $14,000 and must be borne by the manufacturer. Sadly, no one has stepped up to subject themselves to these tests. But if the technology works, a real pot of gold lays on the other side of this rainbow.
If Popular Mechanics' intentions are true, then they could use their role to push for a non-standard EPA approach to this technology by having the federal government fund some of these tests. The angle to take could be via the Federal Trade Commission. Or it could be via a simple phone call to one's local House Representative or Senator.
What Mike Allen should really be doing is advocating a real scientific test that would be recognized by the US Federal government.
Would that really kill the so called myth of the water car? Maybe not but it would go a long way towards taming the debate.

Does anyone agree with me here or is everyone convinced that hundreds and thousands of non-authorities should continue to debate their test results?

WYFF Greenville has Mechanics test Water4Gas

There are alot of sites out there offering reviews of Water4Gas. Well, it looks like regular journalists are starting to take up the act.  Here's a decent story done by a Greenville, SC local news station on the Water4Gas system.  They gave the blueprints for the Water4Gas system to a local service station who then build the kit and installed it in two days in a 1990 Buick Century.  Said the automotive service center owner and techs:

"We saw an instant change how the car was running.  No, it's not a scam, it's the truth.  I thought this was going to be a joke and no way it could work. But  it does work! Without a doubt, I do think it will increase mileage."  

Unfortunately, the online text story introduces some confusing information by citing the Better Business Bureau warnings that were issued recently concerning any gas saving devices.   Here's what you gotta know---there is a MAJOR MAJOR difference between the hundreds of prior gas saving devices tested by the EPA and which DO NOT work vs the hydrogen on demand, hho gas, or hho generator devices including the kits you can make with Water4Gas.    The EPA  **HAS NOT** tested these hho devices.   The article does NOT do a good job of pointing that out and makes it seem like the HHO generators are what the BBB is warning about.   

This all goes back to what the politicians in Washington are NOT doing for us during this energy crisis.   The EPA test that needs to be ran against these devices costs a company $14000. Why doesn't our government spend the $14K itself and test a few of these without waiting for companies to approach them.   Aren't the stakes high enough to warrant someone getting off their beaucratic butts!  Hello DOE and EPA?

HHO Kit Complaint: water fuel scam?

I've been maintaining this hho gas blog for over 2yrs and have had multiple hundred thousand visitors. I've made myself available to be contacted and like to interact with folks who are interested in this technology.  In all that time, I've never had a single person contact me claiming the kit they bought was defective or that Water4Gas was a scam.  Not once.  Until today. 

I was contacted by a gentleman whose name I originally intended to publish because I had his permission to do so but now I'm not going to.  In any case, this concerned person contacted me to let me know that HHO is a scam and a hoax. So, I patiently listened to his situation--how he bought a kit from a guy his his area. His friend installed it. A month later, he's got $600 car repair bill and thinks the kit was the cause.  I then spoke to the person who made and sold him the kit.  To make a long story short, I listened to both sides of the story and sided with the kit maker.  I'm not going to go into the details but be advised, if you install a kit, you need to know what you are doing. If you can't change your oil on your car, you could probably still install one of these kits but maybe it's not for you.  Instead, find someone to install one for you.   If you're uncertain if you want to get to that stage, then start with this ebook.  At the very least, you can download it, read it and decide whether the technology is for you.  If it's not, you get your money back.  That will minimize your risk.   Or, do nothing. It your choice. 

HHO Games offers $100,000 Prize

HHO technologies and hho generators are starting to take on the trappings of regular after market products ....or they will be if Joe Shea has his way.  He is organizing the world's first HHO Games to be held Nov 11-14, 2008 at IMG Academies in Bradenton, FL.  Joe told me today that he's organizing this event as a function of his sense of civic duty as an American to spread the news about HHO Gas and the supporting technologies.   He believes that Ford and GM should be investigating this technology as it could restore their SUV sales and possibly prevent them from going out of business.  I thought it was an interesting idea.   In the meantime, Joe is putting together cash awards for best products on the market with $100,000 going to top prize.  

Another HHO Gas Success Story

Here's a pretty good local tv station (WABI TV 5 ) story on a guy named Todd Eaton who built his own hho gas fuel cells and achieved increased gas mileage. I'm surprised the reporter didn't challenge him with the laws of thermodynamics. :-) Results are what matters not misinterpreted applications of theories. Discuss this article at WaterFueling.Com.